Reflections on ReInvent Legislation Silicon Valley @ 10 Years – Half 2


As mentioned in yesterday’s half one, this submit is the second in a three-part collection of reflections on the ReInvent Legislation Silicon Valley occasion, held in Mountain View Calif., on March 8, 2013, and what it meant to the authors and to the broader motion for innovation in regulation. Right this moment, we function contributions from Chas Rampenthal, Chase Hertel, and Sarah Glassmeyer.

– Dan Lear and Bob Ambrogi, collection editors.

(Half 1) (Half 3)


Chas Rampenthal, Chief Authorized Officer, Dinari

Chas is a founder and the chief authorized officer of Dinari, a sensible contract start-up. From 2003 to 2021, Chas served as LegalZoom’s basic counsel and head of trade relations. Chas is an outspoken advocate of transformation within the authorized trade, inspiring elevated entry to authorized companies by means of know-how and new enterprise fashions. Chas is a member of the California and Massachusetts bars and is certified as a solicitor within the UK. Chas earned his bachelor’s diploma in economics and math research summa cum laude from Southern Illinois College and his JD from the College of Southern California. Previous to his authorized profession, Chas served honorably in america Navy as an officer and naval aviator.

The 12 months 2013 looks as if each a minute and a lifetime in the past. A lot has occurred previously 10 years! I particularly bear in mind Reinvent Legislation and the affect it had on the career and my very own view of authorized companies. At the moment, I used to be in my tenth 12 months as LegalZoom’s GC, coping with the brunt of a number of legal professional and state bar challenges. It was proper across the time that the Authorized Companies Act went into impact within the UK, and I couldn’t shake the sensation that our career ought to (or possibly…would…finally?) innovate and permit a enterprise mannequin that might present authorized companies to the underserved. To do that, we would want to “Reinvent” a brand new methodology of supply. It appeared like the fitting time to dive into the ways in which added funding and folks might take our career ahead. 

Eddie Hartman, James Peters and I used to speak about how retail shops like Goal had been serving a large middle-class product want and doing an outstanding job rising a model and satisfying their prospects. My speak on Retail Classes for the Authorized Business virtually wrote itself! 

One factor I’ll always remember is displaying up that morning and asking the organizers the place the lectern can be arrange. To my horror, I used to be knowledgeable — just some hours earlier than my 15-minute speak — that it was a “no notes” presentation. I crammed/memorized like I used to be 19 with a chemistry remaining the subsequent morning!  

Trying again on the ten years that adopted, it was not lengthy after that the “UPL Wars” had been a factor of the previous. LegalZoom obtained an ABS license within the UK, and finally in Arizona as effectively! I’m pleased with the accomplishments of my fellow Zoomers that made a great deal of the TargetLaw presentation a actuality — and even higher than I might have imagined!

Reinvent Legislation was there once we had been all considering, “May we?” A decade later we’ve a definitive and AFFIRMATIVE reply. I can not wait to see what the subsequent 10 years has in retailer. To all of the dreamers which can be on the market: Don’t let the naysayers cease you from making new authorized service supply fashions a actuality. There may be nonetheless quite a lot of work to do

I wish to thank Dan, Renee, and Michael for his or her imaginative and prescient, and for offering a discussion board that allowed all of us dreamers to collect and assist one another! 


Chase Hertel, Director & Counsel, SimpleCitizen

Chase Hertel is the director and counsel for SimpleCitizen, an immigration-focused authorized know-how firm. Previous to this function, he was a principal on LegalZoom’s Lawyer Companies crew. Chase was additionally beforehand the deputy director and counsel of the American Bar Affiliation Middle for Innovation and has held different roles with high-growth authorized tech firms centered on enhancing the supply of authorized companies. Captivated with scaling entry to justice, Chase is devoted to empowering attorneys and purchasers to work collectively by means of know-how. Chase is a member of the Authorized Companies Company’s Rising Leaders Council and the Maryland Bar.

My ReInvent Legislation Silicon Valley expertise is one I’ll always remember. In March 2013, I had simply accomplished Dan Katz and Renee Knake Jefferson’s Entrepreneurial Lawyering course as a 2L at Michigan State College School of Legislation. The category culminated in a start-up pitch competitors during which my mission accomplice and I pitched an immigration know-how enterprise designed to make the U.S. immigration course of extra accessible and inexpensive (an concept and alternative I’ve refused to desert and spoke about at ReInvent Legislation NYC in 2014). My mission accomplice and I ended up successful that regulation faculty pitch competitors and used our modest winnings to buy airfare to the convention. I wasn’t precisely positive what to anticipate however knew some 3Ls that I seemed as much as in this system had been going. Little did I do know then that I’d forge skilled relationships that may follow me to today.

After spending the night time on an air mattress at my uncle’s home in Cupertino (I might barely afford a espresso, not to mention a resort room), I confirmed up on the Pc Historical past Museum brilliant and early. The place was packed and Dan and Renee nearly instantly put me to work serving to examine in audio system and getting them mic’d up. I can’t thank them sufficient for that chance. As a shy first-generation faculty and regulation pupil who had by no means completed any type of networking in a crowd like this one, I discovered myself compelled to work together with attendees and audio system. I did my finest to remain on high of the duties I used to be assigned whereas attempting to awkwardly community with anybody I might.

Then Ed Walters took the stage. His speak, centered round who “owned” the regulation, opened my eyes to the deeply disturbing ongoing try by authorized publishers to copyright the regulation, and I distinctly bear in mind having to cease myself from giving him a one-man gradual clap standing ovation. However my pleasure didn’t cease there. Chas Rampenthal’s speak on how LegalZoom was (and nonetheless is) delivering authorized companies at scale by way of new enterprise fashions helped put me on my path — one which led me not solely to a task with LegalZoom serving to to kind its ABS regulation agency in Arizona but in addition to alternatives that bridge the justice hole for customers whereas creating new income streams for attorneys.

I think about myself lucky to have been a part of ReInvent Legislation and deeply admire the friendships {and professional} relationships I can hint again to that day nearly 10 years in the past. Dan, Renee, Michael and the ReInvent Legislation crew: Thanks for displaying me and the remainder of the career what a group of like-minded, devoted folks can do once they come collectively. I can not wait to pay this expertise ahead.


Sarah Glassmeyer, Web Raconteur and Bon Vivant

Sarah Glassmeyer is a librarian and lawyer by coaching, and has spent her profession in quite a lot of positions and organizations. She is enthusiastic about open know-how, content material, requirements and the facility of group to impact constructive change within the authorized world and past. She catalogs all of this at sarahglassmeyer.com.

After I look again at my bizarre life and profession, which happily or sadly I’ve documented on social media and blogs for over 15 years, I can positively see that 2013 was a dividing line between profession levels. The work of Renee Knake Jefferson, Dan Katz, and the crew at ReInvent Legislation had a serious hand in serving to me by means of the transition.

Previous to 2013, I used to be a librarian who lately modified work environments from regulation faculties to the Middle for Pc Assisted Authorized Instruction (CALI). I used to be primarily fascinated by points round open regulation and know-how (and these, together with requirements, are nonetheless a ardour of mine) however CALI’s work with A2J Writer led me to be taught extra about know-how utilized by working towards attorneys and all the varied alternatives for enchancment within the follow world. When ReInvent Legislation Silicon Valley occurred, I used to be on medical depart two weeks out from main surgical procedure, however I used to be capable of observe alongside on Twitter. By the years I used to be capable of attend the Reinvent Legislation NYC in 2014 and several other occasions hosted within the Chicago space, although I nonetheless primarily engaged with the content material and different viewers by way of Twitter. 

(Speaking to folks nose to nose? No thanks! I’ll be the weirdo within the nook watching my cellphone should you don’t thoughts.) 

Regardless that I used to be centered on a really area of interest space of authorized know-how and innovation, I used to be capable of see the interconnectedness of concepts and options. It additionally made me wish to deal with systematic modifications (like taxonomies, standardized deployments, knowledge requirements, and dare I say it, regulatory reform) as an alternative of a selected material answer. 

(However extra energy to people who wish to do this! Construct a greater mousetrap CLM!) 

My publicity to the ReInvent Legislation world resulted in three major takeaways:

  1. There’s a cohort of individuals that can reflexively say “no” and shit on any concept from individuals who need issues to be higher. Ignore them.
  2. There’s a cohort of people who instantly leap on any bandwagon and suppose it’s going to change the world if solely folks will cease being detrimental. It’s also possible to ignore them.
  3. There’s a bunch of individuals which can be fascinated by making issues higher in massive and small methods and you will notice them time and again in your profession as a result of though regulation is a world billion greenback enterprise, the variety of folks working in the direction of change is considerably depressingly small. Nevertheless, it’s a mighty group and rising every day.

Although we work for competing companies, or firms, or are neutrals in non-profits or different organizations, I see a powerful group and dedication to studying from one another and discovering broadly appropriate options. The open studying and sharing created at ReInvent Legislation had a big half in shaping that.


Look ahead to the ultimate installment on this collection tomorrow on LawSites.

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